Get Off Obama's Back: Second Thoughts From Michael Moore

47 promises kept according tot eh tracker,.

tell me what did bush accomplish in his 8 years?
made our allies hate us.
killed 5000 americans
didnt stop 9/11
crashed the worlds economy
invaded a country based on lies and then claimed the mission was accomplished 6 years ago and we are still there.
insurance premiums doubled.
median wage stagneted and accually went down when you add in inflation.
gave away our budget surplus and racked up 5 trillion in debt.. for ?????? no seriously we are missing 5 trillion.. have any idea what bush spent it on?

No please tell me what bush accomplsihed in 8 years? increased aids abstinese funding for africa?
no seriously what did he do for 8 years besides break things?

Why is it when pressed about Obama's accomplishments the left points "failures" of Pres. Bush? I want to hear about his accomplishments from Obama supporters? What it was, why it was, why it's a good thing, etc?

This conversation is not about Pres. Bush. We can discuss that in a separate seed sometime. And believe me there were a lot of things that Pres. Bush did that I didn't agree with!

Gave 1.4 billion to strengthen the VA

Extended health care for low income children

Raised a tax credit for college costs, including being able to write off books

Created the White House Urban Affairs office

Revoked the ban on Stem Cell Research

15 billion for small business start up

The CARD act

Rescinded the Mexico City Act

Signed the Lilly Ledbetter act

Gave domestic partners of gay government employees the same status as heterosexual couple for benifit purposes

Signed the Stimulas Bill- I know ya'all like to slam him for this one but many experts say we would be in even worse debt if he hadn't done this.

Has gotten the health care debate farther than any one, there are more plus the many other things that are in the works. The reason Bush is always brought up is because Obama in his 1st couple of weeks accomplished more than Bush in his last 2 years. He seemed to ignore many problems, like he was in denial that the Presidency is an actual job rather than a figure head position. It seemed he didn't care anymore and couldn't wait to get out of office. It seemed if he could of he would of gotten Obama in office Nov 5th.

VA Funding - In Bush’s first three years funding for the Veterans Administration increased 27%. Funding for his full four-year term will amount to an increase of 37.6%. VA spending went up twice as fast under Bush as it did under Clinton. Yet, Democrat senators argued that Bush was actually cutting spending!

Bush increased SCHIP by $5 billion. Extended it to families with annual incomes less than 200% of the poverty level. Even when the Democrats cut off Republicans from the debate.

Bush's tax cuts created new interest in college-savings and prepaid tuition programs = personal responsibility. Obama offers a $4000 tax credit to cover the first $4000 of tuition expenses = more social welfare. Just where is that money going to come from? How many of those students have flat panel televisions, black berries, ipods, iphones, new vehicles, hundred dollar pairs of jeans, hundred dollar pairs of athletic shoes, etc. Where do they get the money to buy those items? They should use that money to pay for their own education! Bush created incentives to save the money, Obama on the other hand essentially is saying don't worry about it, a government handout will be there for you!

CARD - yes lets remove the perks and rewards for those who spend their money wisely and those who pay their bills on time to subsidize those who are not. They passed the same idea for home owners that couldn't afford their homes to begin with, let's do the same with credit cards! What's next personal checking accounts? Oh wait, that's the tax increases that people like me will have to pay in order for others to have some government run health plan!

Mexico City Policy - Obama rescinded that policy that requires foreign nongovernmental organizations to certify that they will not perform or actively promot abortion as a method of family planning! That's right abortion as a method of family planning!

Lilly Ledbetter Act - it allows employees that were terminated for whatever reason to sue their employer for pay discrimination potentially years and years after they were terminated. It's not about equal pay it's about pay for the trial lawyers. This is bad for business because it could be years and years later, the managers that are accused in the lawsuit may no longer even be with the company!

I do not support gay marriage so I disagree with Obama on this one just on a beliefs standpoint. And I'm OK with disagreeing about it, so don't argue it with me - I won't engage in it.

Stimulus Bill - there are many experts that also say we would be in better shape because all we did with the stimulus money is prop up failing companies with tax payer dollars creating a tax burden the likes of which (with the proposed health care taxes)we haven't seen before!

Health care - While I agree that there needs to be some reform in the health care industry, I do not believe it is the role of the government to provide health care. Something needs to be done about medical malpractice lawsuits and tort refrom. But the Democrats don't support that because the trial lawyers are one of the largest donor groups to Democrats, and many Democrat senators and congressmen are also trial lawyers. Polls have shown that most people like the private insurance plans they have and that they do not support a government option. The left likes to demonize insurance companies with talk about denying claims, but in reality medicare denied 9.8% of their claims! That's more than double the average of the largest private insurance companies per the AMA.

Do people need health care? Yes. Does that mean that the government should provide a health plan? No. Does that mean that the government should create incentives for those people to get health insurance? Yes. Do we need tort reform in health care? Absolutely. Does that mean tax incentives? Absolutely.

$15 billion for small business start up - Even if that is true, it is a government handout MORE TAXES that money has to come from somewhere! What other motivations do I have to start a business under Obama? Higher taxes? Steep penalties for not providing health care to my employees?

Stem Cell Research - The fact of the matter is that there are no successes from embryonic stem cell research. However there are in fact many success stories in other stem cell research, cord blood, infant cord blood and adult stem cells. For example, cord blood stem cells have been successfully used to actually grow a human liver, very small, but it worked.

Look at the free market, how many companies were doing embryonic stem cell research prior to the ban? How many billions of dollars are being spent on other forms of stem cell research? Private sector money will always tell you what works and what doesn't work!

During the campaign Michael J. Fox came out and talked about the need for stem cell research to cure Parkinsons disease. Low and behold they weren't using stem cell research but rather gene therapy implanted in the brain via a virus. But did anybody address that with him? No. Has anybody addressed that with Obama? Probably not.

Wow, Teodoro----quite a rant. I do hope you are addressing the right with your spew. They are the epitome of in-action. The rest of your rant is rather childish and mis-guided conjecture. You are rather humerous.

I do hope you are addressing the right with your spew.

Clearly anyone linking to an article from Nader must be a rabid right winger.

No ,Dave...it was directed at just you.For your insolence and complicity you have earned yourself some scrutiny...you think that your impotent conjecture and character assassination does any good here?

The sheeple are awakening.

And there is nothing that you can do to stop it. Except for you to change course before you reveal your felonious and treasonous behaviours and actions.

Pray that when they find you they have mercy on you and those you love...for cause and effect is immediate.Pray Dave...and you too Jivathalf man

Michael Moore was on PBS with Tavis Smiley recently. Moore has been going around saying he was going to give Obama a few more weeks or months to get tough with the Wall St. thieves and bankers, whose greed and de facto criminality Moore so clearly excoriates in his new movie.

Smiley asked Moore why he was being so easy on Obama, who has done next to nothing to clean up corruption in the financial products industry. Moore had no good answer.

Ergo, his new article.

Same old same old.

Teodoro----Sounds like a threat. Who would "they" be? You? I think not. One must have character to have it assassinated. You, sir, may be a character, but alas, that doesn't qualify you. Your threats are much like your head...........empty.

Like I said...cause and effect.Your comment is impotent,baseless and unsupported.

Inflammatory at that. Let's see your links? Let's see your sources.Let's see your proof that all you wrote of me is true.

On the other hand...what threats? It's a promise from the God of all Creation.Your complicity has made you elegible for an accounting and reckoning...even you who who work at the 754th and the USAISC...you think you ID'd me and know my character and power?

Show's your ignorance and arrogance...conjecture.

I have gone up against the best your treasonous elements have to offer and I have always revealed you and won...by revealing the truth of your agenda and motive...

But as I tell them...keep making your comments...for if you were as bright and educated as you thought you were you would refrain from your comments.

Why? Because it gives more exposure to my comments that people will read as a direct result of your malfeasance and avarice.People who might have just passed by my comment.

But every time you comment and vote it puts it on the vine...for those that have already viewed the article,it brings them back. For those that have not read the article it draws them in directly to these comments.

And they discern for themselves.

That was your intent? To draw more people to my comments with verifiable sources and links by making your vague,inflammtory conjectured comments.Impotent for you.

A great benefit to me and those that fight for justice.And the truth.

So thanks, I hope that you respond to this comment so that more exposure is given to this seed and the information contained within it.

And guess what...your handler has gotten a whiff of your incompetence and the liability you pose to their order.

You have been ID'd.But your right. I won't be the one slipping the cute little plastic restraints around your wrists...but for the hell of it and for my satisfaction I just might be there to see that warrant served for your arrest.

And who's the one paranoid?Threats?Where are the threats? I'm here to reveal the tactics. Just like the Nazi's are hunted to this day...heard about the 80 yr old who thought he'd escaped the accounting recently?

This is one way I know that your a troll

your rant

I'd suggest you gain some wisdom before you not only lose your job but your freedom.

Change course now and that will be taken into consideration by your "Peers".

You have a serious problem. Your preaching, threats and ignorance truly mean little to me or anyone else. Perhaps you should get some therapy. You are quite laughable.

You of course did what your arrogance and ineptnes allows...you brought more exposure to this seed.

I know "who" you are troll...would you like me to tell the the rest of the world?

Again you use conjecture,ridicule and inflammatory statements that are baseless...you think most can't see beyond this?

You can't bait me with your impotence. Other than that , it seems that you know that the adavan you consume makes you irrational...now ask yourself how I know that.

Better take another shot of vodka mixed with your adavan.

Can't wait to see your next "comment".

Good. Again what threats? You will realize it today.I've dealt with "people" like you who are scared and silly.They always go away with their tails tucked between their ass...and you will too.

And guess what Dave...you are in Oklahoma? Should I go further? It's up to you...your IP will lead me right to your employer...State of Oklahoma?

Maybe some patriots in the OSBI need to be made aware of your position on the NWO and SMOKM...traitor.Your true colors are running through...

So you being a Marine vet should give you the insight and knowledge that what your actions entail are considered TREASON...like I said it's not me you have to worry about...it's all those people you fooled and sold out.Did you pick up that Satanic Marxism while elbowing up to the bar with your VC buddies at the NCO club in Vietnam?I hope you find that "humerous".I don't. You thought it was along time ago and nobody would know or find out? The bones of the skeleton are rattling in your closet.How many of "ours" got murdered as a result of your malfeasance and avarice?

You dishonor the Corp,Gunney.I'm sure that is were you got your schooling...so you really should use spell check...as it will put your comments in the right context....

You are rather humerous

Yes ,I do have a humerus. But if you consider my comments humorous maybe it is you that needs to contact the therapist they assigned you at the VA...for it's not a laughing matter...that is, the rage you display.

But,again ,thanks for moving this article up the vine along with the comments and links to the information that scares the @!$%# out of you...for it is revealing your complicity in treason.

Next comment?

Sorry to insult you Oklahoma...Dave is in Indiana.

Bring it on Teodoro. Bring your whimpy Dragon ass here. I'll leave the light on for you. Your threats have become tiring. It's sad to know that myself, and all Marines have sacrificed much to give even the likes of you the right to be a blow-hard, idiot.

TL 3:

Please stop trying to lure people to all of your links. I appreciate that you want people to come visit your seeds so that you can get a piece of the advertising pie, but rather than filling up a post with so many links to your own seeds, why don't you try to make some stronger arguments that might lead people to go see your seeds?

I can't decide whether to mark your comments as advertising or inflammatory...or no value.

You can't decide? Quite common for you.

These are facts and articles ...not ads to off site links.

Another attempt to discredit...impotent troll.

I suggest that when you "decide" what it is that I am doing...use the resources available to you.But be aware that maliciously ,pretextually clicking on links to subvert is frowned upon on newsvine and can have adverse reactions to your own ability to comment ,write or seed.

The list was included with the links that so people could verify on their own and discern for themselves if what people such as yourself promote has credence.

Now if I was linking off-site to my other sites "IT" just might be considered advertising.

As to the inflammatory comments...are you Big Brother ...ol'dave knows (by his reaction) that what I wrote is true...for he didn't/couldn't respond with rational,coherent words.

But little golfer...let me look at you and scrutinize your words so tat people will know why you decided to single me out and not Dave's "INFLAMMATORY" insults.

Based on conjecture.See Dave still tries to make it seem that I'm the one going to arrest him..."Bring it on Teodoro" . I already indicated who will ...so continue...it brings more exposure...

I could not support a man "elected" by cronies of his father & brother in the Florida court system TWICE. Who never reached across the aisle and vow as President Obama did (even though he was elected by an electoral landslide uncontested) and say "even if you did not vote for me I'll be your president too". I could not respect a man who called him self the "decider", when the "deciders" laid out by our forefathers clearly states we the people decide. I will never respect or support a "commander-in-chief" that gave no orders to our military to protect us while we were under attack. I could give no respect to a "president" who knowingly allowed our enemies to thrive in one country and instead decided better to wage a war to free up oil contracts in another at the costs of trillions and the loss of lives. And I could not as a patriotic American conceive of a "leader" of this nation saying our Constitution was (and I quote Bush II) "just a God damned piece of paper!".

No wonder we appreciate President Obama, he gets respect because HE GIVES IT!

GO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!

Hates??? Really? I dissagree 100%. Please see #8.1 for an example of a BAD President.

Seems I hit a nerver there! You are entitled to your opinion as much as I am to mine. Good Luck!!

He represents me & I voted for him, no problem here : )

Simpleton...he represents you where?...come on ,this is supposed to be a forum ...want some credibility back up yor statements with some links and resources that are concise rather than general like the front page of the white house.

Facts.You don't have them.

Teodoro Leon 3

Where are your facts, your links, etc., concise resources?

want some credibility back up yor statements with some links and resources that are concise rather than general like the front page of the white house.

Teodoro - good luck with that!

Concerned -677059

Where are they? I am glad that you asked...here they are...since you obviously missed them or don't know how to read...anymore questions?Silly Rabbit!

Thanks Prophat247!

He could have won the prize if he had insured that the 1 st responders of the WTC had received the treatment and support that has been denied them.

Hundreds of WTC 9/11 first responders die of cancer

And don't tell me that he is ignorant and unaware.For charlie Sheen and many others including myself have informed him and the World.

Charlie Sheen,911 and President B.Obama:Twenty Minutes With The President

Non-accomplishments:Transperancy?Fascism,enslavement and death!

Charlie Sheen,911 and President B.Obama:Twenty Minutes With The President

IRS Would Become "Chief Enforcer" Under Obama's Health-Care Reform

Killing America's Kids through War: The lie of Defense Secretary Gates outrage and sympathy at published AP photo

Homeland Security Trains Boy Scouts of America To Fight Terrorism:Terrorist described as "disgruntled Iraq war veteran" in role play

Obama Calls For National Civilian Stasi Rockefeller-Snowe Senate Bill.773 would give President Obama emergency control of Internet

H.R. 645(National Emergency Centers ESTABLISHMENT Act) and The FEMA Concentration Camps under Martial Law

The Pentagon Wants Authority to Post Almost 400,000 Military Personnel in U.S.

Obama spokesman announces new, special terrorism-era interrogation unit

Newsvine - An Open Letter to Barack Obama (from Nader)

President Obama's "Prolonged Detention Plan" without trial Tests American Legal Tradition :a departure from the way this country sees itself

It's Official: Obama Will Not Prosecute CIA Torturers: Obama strikes a deal with CIA torturers not to prosecute them. This is a victory for Bush's lawyers who justified torture.

Obama visits Queen while America burns

Obama Widens Missile Strikes Inside Pakistan

Obama ends National Prayer Day service at White House

This above is contrary to peace and freedom. War mongering and enslavenment and death is the agenda.

Both are sell outs. To their promises and convictions.The facts and stories speak for themselves. Now watch cause and effect touch everyone of you who blindly and /or knowingly support the atrocities due to your vanity.You won't admit(YET=you are eligible too)the truth that he lied to you for your vote that landed him in the High office of the President.

He, at anytime, can change his course...and hold true to his integrity and promises.

"The high office of the president has been used to foment a plot to destroy America's freedom..."JFK,Nov.12,1963Part2

a Plea to President Obama...The truth of Executive Order 11110 will set you and US(A) Free . Be as courageous as JFK and expose the Agenda. Disempower "them" with the truth.Start with the Federal Reserve as initiated by JFK

the Deception of Obama:how Barack H. Obama is "secretly" controlled

I think that ,for now, this will be all that you sheeple can bare...chew slowly and don't choke on your gullibility and vanity.Insanity.